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I think Jamie is going to kill Cersei. I think he's going to be the valonqar -- I think that was the spelling?

Also, the entire episode 4 leaked over the weekend and I accidentally read a spoiler about Missendei. I mean, we all knew it was coming, but c'mon people!! 

Also, also, I cannot believe there are only two episodes left! I can't handle this!

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So in the middle of the last episode I paused it and yelled to my friend "Varys is lying!!".  

I think he and Danny have hatched a plan to make her look like the mad queen in order to test loyalties, or something along those lines.  Notice he followed her out of the hall during the victory dinner when Dany was getting jealous at the attention Jon was getting?  When Tyrion told Varys that Jon was the real heir, Varys already knew (that's when I paused the TV and yelled at my friend :D ).  Then to tell Dany in front of the council that he questioned her decisions was just another part of the plot.  I don't think she's as mad as she is acting, I think it's some game plan hatched up by her and Varys.

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23 hours ago, princess said:

So in the middle of the last episode I paused it and yelled to my friend "Varys is lying!!".  

I think he and Danny have hatched a plan to make her look like the mad queen in order to test loyalties, or something along those lines.  Notice he followed her out of the hall during the victory dinner when Dany was getting jealous at the attention Jon was getting?  When Tyrion told Varys that Jon was the real heir, Varys already knew (that's when I paused the TV and yelled at my friend :D ).  Then to tell Dany in front of the council that he questioned her decisions was just another part of the plot.  I don't think she's as mad as she is acting, I think it's some game plan hatched up by her and Varys.

Well, scratch that theory. :blink:

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The best part of last night's episode was everyone's reactions on Twitter afterward. 

I'm a little pissed at how dirty they're doing Dany....but then I remember that this is a show and I've got real problems to worry about ?

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Posting because I find the gambling odds amusing.  They say spoilers ahead, but remember we don't count it as a spoiler if the episode already aired!

 

'Game of Thrones' Bran's the Odds Fave to Win it All ... But He Won't Get Ya Paid

5/13/2019 2:47 PM PDT

TMZ

The "Game of Thronesgods odds have spoken, and they got your boy, Bran Stark, sitting on the Iron Throne for the series finale ... but betting on him won't make you a bunch of cash.

WARNING ... MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!!! 

The good folks over at SportsBetting.ag have set their new online betting odds for this coming Sunday's final episode ever, and the virtual bookies have Bran as the top pick for Ruler of Westeros. His ratio ain't all that good though for anybody -- just 1/1. 

That means for every dollar you bet on Bran winning, you'll get exactly that amount back if it comes true ... so you'd be breaking even essentially. The house loses dough, so he's not ideal for anyone ... betting-wise, that is. We're sure he'd make a fine king on TV.

Now that we know neither Arya, Jamie or even Daenerys got around to killing Cersei themselves -- turns out, it was a bunch of rubble that got it done -- there are new bets on how the final episode will play out. Here's who gamblers have dying and surviving.

Jon Snow is the odds-on favorite to survive the whole thing at 2/5. Arya's survival rate is pegged at 1/1 ... and folks are betting on Dany to die by sword/dagger at 1/2.

Seeing how she just torched all of King's Landing -- killing thousands upon thousands of innocents -- A LOT of people are predicting her death ... so yeah, we don't see her living.

Some other fun bets being taken right now: 

-- Will Ghost make one last appearance after that tragic no-pet goodbye? A 1/3 chance of yes, and a 2/1 chance at no. Ya gotta hope he does, that send-off was trash.

-- Will Tyrion perish after betraying Dany (again) and letting Jaime go free to be with Cersei? This one could go either way, but they seem to think he'll survive ... 1/1 odds for yes, and 2/3 odds for no.

-- And, perhaps most importantly, will there be NUDITY in the final episode??? Fans don't seem to be betting on it at 1/1 for yes, and 2/3 no. 

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This season has been such a major disappointment for me, and last night’s episode was the worst. Dany’s evil or crazy (people aren’t sure which) wasn’t earned. Cersei getting to tragically die in the arms of the man she loves was so ridiculous. You can tell Weiss and Benioff love the character and just couldn’t let her have her just desserts. I think that’s the reason they had Jaime go back to save her rather than to kill her the way I think Martin would go in the never to be published books. Having her killed by a building was so unsatisfying. Jon and Tyrion are both useless and stupid. Show Tyrion used to be brilliant but the last few seasons he’s dropped about 50 IQ points. Show Jon was never that brilliant, which is tragic considering how awesome his book counterpart is, but since his resurrection he has been stupid and useless. If there wasn’t only one final episode I would be dropping the show now and cancelling HBO because what I just watched was so poorly written it isn’t worth my time. /rantover 

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Did they know that this was going to be the last season when they filmed it?  It seems like they rushed a lot of stuff.  I could see Dany slowly sinking into being the mad Queen (genetics is a bitch to overcome :D) but instead of letting her slowing sink into it, they rushed the crap out of it.  Cersei/Jamie death horribly disappointing.  Just feels like all the story lines are rushed to conclusion because they ran out of time.  I'm going to be really upset if they crap out on Arya's story line too.

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They’ve supposedly known this is where Dany is going since at least season 4 and maybe even season 1. Weiss and Benioff just aren’t good writers. I could see Dany slowly sinking into the depths of madness or I could see her become very Machiavellian and burn the Red Keep, killing Cersei but also all the innocent people there, but burning the entire city, after the surrender, was not true to her character. Not being able to handle being disliked when she was strongly disliked in Mereen for a long time is also unbelievable. No one’s actions this season have made any sense. 

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'Game of Thrones' Season 8, Episode 5: 10 moments you might've missed

 

3 hours ago

https://www.mic.com/p/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-5-10-moments-you-mightve-missed-17870846

 

 

Totally missed #1.  I knew I was missing something when I saw it, but should have figured this out.

 

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Same - I totally missed the poisoning bit too.

At this point, I just want to see the end. I'm resigned to the fact that there will be things I don't like and things I do.

I do enjoy how so many people are watching, enjoying, and discussing this together, all at the same time....not sure when we'll see such a show again, if ever. 

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35 minutes ago, fykeylicious said:

I do enjoy how so many people are watching, enjoying, and discussing this together, all at the same time....not sure when we'll see such a show again, if ever. 

Agreed!

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Photo Blind Item 42

May 16, 2019

[Blind Gossip] We’ve talked about this actor in the past few months.

Despite our familiarity with him and his work, when shown this old photo of him… we didn’t even realize who it was!

A few hints:

  • The coloring in the photo is a bit off, so you may not be able to tell that he has blue eyes.
  • He is known for being a little wild.
  • He is attracted to big women.

Can you guess who it is without cheating?

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omg thank you for posting this in the GOT thread cause I stared at that pic FOREVER yesterday knowing that I was thisclose to figuring out who it was, but unable to put my finger on it.

 

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Ok, so it's over.....thoughts?

I'm okay with it. I mean, it was always going to disappoint in one way or another. At least it wasn't all a dream or some shit. 

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54 minutes ago, princess said:

I'm glad Jon finally hugged his wolf :D

YES!! ??

I have to say I found a lot satisfying about this ending, all things considered. If Jon sat on the throne, I think I'd have felt cheated.

BUT one has to wonder how "good" Bran is. He is obviously omniscient (or as close to it as possible) yet did nothing to try and stem the number of casualties. An interesting thing to ponder, given that GRRM thought there are no happy endings, that the "wheel" will never be broken.

At least Hodor didn't die for nothing lol

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I thought it was the worst season finale I have ever watched and this has been the worst final season. I say that as someone who watched Battlestar Galactica, Lost, and How I Met Your Mother. I just felt like it failed in every respect. The mythology was handled terribly, the characters and their arcs were handled poorly, the pacing was terrible, the dialogue was uninspiring. Everything about it was bad. At least with Lost, though the answers to the mystery and the mythology were just horrible, the characters and their arcs were beautifully written. That’s why I was still invested in the finale, because I still cared about the characters. With GOT I just stopped caring. Tyrion and Arya were my favorite characters but I would have been fine if Dany had roasted them both. Tyrion in no way deserved to be hand of the king. Talk about failing upwards. Seasons one through four Tyrion was intelligent and totally would have deserved it but he’s been nothing short of a disaster since he left for Essos. This just illustrates the larger problem with the show since they ran out of book material which is that choices and actions stopped having consequences the way they did in the early seasons. Ned being beheaded, Robb being killed during the Red Wedding, those were horribly tragic events but they were earned (not deserved but earned). Ned’s choices led him to that end as did Robb’s choices. Tyrion and Jon have repeatedly failed upwards until the end in Jon’s case. 

Jon’s parentage not meaning anything was a huge misstep. The story would have been exactly the same had he really been Ned Stark’s bastard. What was th point of all those pregnancy anvils they dropped for Dany last season? They served no purpose. It’s almost like it was a dropped storyline and the fact that they were dropping plot points like that between seasons 7 and 8 shows in part why this season was a mess. We know they did this for at least some plot points because Cersei was supposed to have a miscarriage at the end of season 7 according to the released scripts.

Brienne writing Jaime’s Kingsguard page was pathetic after what he did to her and after all his character development was flushed down the toilet so they could give their favorite character, Cersei, the best sendoff she could hope for. You can tell GRRM told them Jaime and Cersei will die together and Brienne will finish Jaime’s Kingsguard page so they included those plot points but he also clearly told them Jaime is the valonqar (younger brother from the book prophecy) and will kill her in the end, and they dropped that destroying his character and arc and making Brienne’s actions just pathetic. 

Jon’s character was so useless. He’s one of my favorite book characters but on the show he is stupid and ineffectual. I’m glad they had him and Ghost have a moment but they couldn’t have spent a little more on CGI to have him go off with Jon when he joins (or escorts home, it wasn’t clear) the wildlings. The only part of the finale that moved me besides Jon and Ghost was Drogon finding Dany’s body. That was a knife to the heart right there. The CGI dragon out acted every single person in the finale. 

Bran being endgame king was something that could have made sense had the setup been there. The writers knew he was going to be the endgame king since season 4 at least and yet they dropped him completely from season 5 and they did no character development for him. He has not only been completely uninteresting since he lost everything that made him human, but he was also totally useless the entire previous two seasons. And don’t get me started on the North gaining their independence. D&D love Sansa and part of me thinks this was their way of showing love for one of their favorites because the North being independent makes no sense. Why would the North even care if a Stark is on the throne? And if they were granted independence there’s no way Dorne and the Iron Islands wouldn’t also demand their independence as well. In fact, the Iron Islands were already granted independence by Dany so they should have been insisting on it from the beginning. 

Quite honestly, I would have been happier if the last scene had been of a bed in Winterfell and we see Bran awaken from being pushed out the window and it turning out it was all a dream, and I hate those endings. It would have been better than what we actually got though. 

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you make a lot of good points, WitchKitten. I too was waiting for Dorne to be like...yeah! We want independence too! Like why wouldn't they? And what would stop the Iron Islands from joining suit? 

I feel so bad for Drogon and the thing isn't even real. I cared more for him than for any of the actual characters. 

One telling point is that I picked up my phone a lot during this season, something I'd never have done previously.

I'm just glad it's over ?

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I really wish the last 2 seasons hadn't been cut short.  I feel like the story really suffered from it.

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I wasn't actually as outraged by the season finale as I was episode 5 or even episodes 4 and 3 because I already expected something truly awful. As soon as they had Arya kill the Night King in episode 3 with Jon and Bran having nothing to do with it and being completely ineffectual during the battle with the dead I knew this season wasn't going to go well. Don't get me wrong. When Arya first stabs him I thought it was an awesome moment but then I was left feeling unsatisfied and underwhelmed. I realized that while it was a "kickass" moment it really didn't make sense from a thematic standpoint. Arya had absolutely nothing to do with the Night King and had only learned of the WW threat two episodes earlier so her getting the kill just wasn't satisfying. There was no sense of "Finally, Arya gets to kill the Night King" because I never really connected her with that plot and neither did the writers. It really should have been Jon or Bran. Their storylines have been all about the WW threat and their respective connections to the Night King. Even if Arya was the one that stabbed him, it needed to be a team effort between her and Jon and/or Bran. By having her be the one to kill him they completely robbed Jon of his storyline and made his character even more underwhelming than he already was.

Back to the finale. Why in the world would they still have a Night's Watch? There is no longer a White Walker threat, the reason the NW was created in the first place, and even the wildlings are on good terms with their southern neighbors. And even if the wildlings weren't on good terms with those on the other side of the wall, why would the Six Kingdoms send anyone to protect the North since it's a separate kingdom. Not to mention there is a huge gaping hole in the wall so what really can they do? It just doesn't make any sense like most of this season.

I'm relieved the show is over so I can move on with my life but I should be sad. I invested 10 years of my life into the show, read all five books (and I had to slog through books four and five), read and participated in discussions online, and then to have them end like this (I'm taking about the entire season) was just so disappointing. I feel sorry for all the Star Wars fans out there because D&D (the showrunners) are slated to write the next big Star Wars trilogy. Instead of petitioning HBO to reshoot season 8 people should petition Disney to drop them from Star Wars and find more competent writers. I'm convinced that nearly every good writing decision they made on the series came from GRRM, despite books 4 and 5 being kind of a mess.

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