tmn9761

VERY well stated, leaivory ~ the hate mongers who hide under the pretense or guise of so called "holiness" - clergy who abuse the "title", are the TRUE offenders. Although I can't say for sure because obviously I wasn't around 2,000 or so years ago when Jesus walked the earth in the flesh as a man, I don't believe that the hierarchy of the day (neither religious nor secular) were too pleased because He had them over a barrel and they knew it - from the time of His birth until He was a grown man when they finally put Him to death. He saw right through the hypocisy though and He called them on it. He even lashed out in anger in the temple at the hypocrites, LOL and all I can say is if you've done something bad enough to make JESUS mad at you, well, you are in for SOME TROUBLE! For the most part, they were like the celebrities we refer to - when they were "on", it's all about showing the world how pious they are, but behind the scenes, when the spotlight focuses elsewhere, they are nothing but liars, thieves, and cheaters. I would LIKE to believe that this was KG's way of addressing that behavior. I THINK I get it, but I'd rather she'd just skipped the last three words. Maybe it's just the 12 years of Catholic schooling in me, and maybe I DO need to just lighten up, but those words really BOTHER me! I can't help it! I hear you...and you have a right to feel the way you do. And I'm in no position to tell you that you are in the right or wrong. I just will say that if we are followers and believers in the faith/religion that we love, then wouldn't this be trivial in the grand scheme of things?...and can't we smile or shrug at such utter nonsense? I kinda smiled because it seems like it was designed to offend those who can't step back and say "whatever" and it was also a poke at hyprocrisy...she's not offending our beliefs, because spiritually our beliefs should be above idle comedy schtick and satire from tired ass human beings who want press and to shake up the system...and I'm also being general to include muslims who want to kill at the drop of a hat what they see is offensive or mocking of their prophet. Basically if you believe in something spiritual...what on earth can be offensive to that spiritual being or to you? That's it...didn't mean to get all theological...lol. Great discussion, and I do see and respect everyone's points. You know, this is what bugs me about myself - I SHOULD be able to just shrug it off because what you've said makes perfect sense. Hmmmm - maybe this is one of those moments of enlightenment for me, and perhaps I should take advantage of it! In over 40 decades, people have said a lot worse things directly TO me than "suck it, Terri", and I survived, and even laughed in response most of the time. Besides, I think Jesus probably has LOTS of more important issues to deal with and guide us through than something, just as you said, so trivial. Wow you guys! Thanks for the therapy session!! So okay - I'll let the three words go and un-bunch my panties!! For now anyway! Baby steps!

VERY well stated, leaivory ~ the hate mongers who hide under the pretense or guise of so called "holiness" - clergy who abuse the "title", are the TRUE offenders. Although I can't say for sure because obviously I wasn't around 2,000 or so years ago when Jesus walked the earth in the flesh as a man, I don't believe that the hierarchy of the day (neither religious nor secular) were too pleased because He had them over a barrel and they knew it - from the time of His birth until He was a grown man when they finally put Him to death. He saw right through the hypocisy though and He called them on it. He even lashed out in anger in the temple at the hypocrites, LOL and all I can say is if you've done something bad enough to make JESUS mad at you, well, you are in for SOME TROUBLE! For the most part, they were like the celebrities we refer to - when they were "on", it's all about showing the world how pious they are, but behind the scenes, when the spotlight focuses elsewhere, they are nothing but liars, thieves, and cheaters. I would LIKE to believe that this was KG's way of addressing that behavior. I THINK I get it, but I'd rather she'd just skipped the last three words. Maybe it's just the 12 years of Catholic schooling in me, and maybe I DO need to just lighten up, but those words really BOTHER me! I can't help it!

Hi BobbyD ~ I can only speak for myself, but it's not Jesus' honor or Mohammad's or Buddha's honor that needs to be defended. I took the comment (at first glance - knee jerk reaction) to be mocking "me" or others who are followers of Jesus. After reading a few posts here though, I don't really think her intent was mean spirited or aimed at anyone in particular - it got her publicity and as I said in my previous post, publicity is what it's all about. I suppose I can liken my offense to someone telling my mom or my daughter to "suck it". I do think KG probably could have and should have chosen different words. I am what I am - maybe overly sensitive, but telling Jesus, who I love, to "suck it" bothers me. I know what you mean about judgmental overreactions by various sects and religions. I don't try to force my faith down another's throat, and I am by nature (if nothing else!) a pacifist, so I could not even IMAGINE killing or punishing someone whose beliefs differ from mine, and when I see that happen (not only Muslim Extremists, but also so called Christian Fundamentalists who would have me, a Catholic girl burning in Hell, or Jehovah's Witnesses who believe that only THEY will be amoung a certain limited few to end up in Heaven, or Mormons, or "old-school" Catholics - I could go on - you get the idea) the hypocrisy of it all REALLY strikes a nerve. The same nerve is struck when (as insinuated as the purpose behind KG's statement) I hear the hard partying, slutting, egotistical celebrities who in the light of day are God-less, thank Jesus or whomever for their success. Please. I'd like to believe that this is the point KG was trying to make. The words just really struck me as offensive - for ME - not for the personification of Jesus or any other great prophet.

I didn't take offense at KG saying that her award had nothing to do with Jesus. I agree - Jesus has bigger things to think about than a loud-mouthed comedienne winning an award. If she'd stopped there, no problem. But to say "Suck it Jesus" is extremely offensive. She'd be a social pariah if she'd said "Suck it Mohammed," and I don't think many people here would be defending her. I actually like KG; she is loud and hilarious, sometimes offensive but not usually mean-spirited. I think she'd have been better served to say "I was excited about the win and made an unthinking joke in the spur of the moment" instead of "am I the only Catholic left with a sense of humor?" No Kathy, you aren't, but you are one of the few who thinks "Suck it Jesus" is a cool statement to make. VERY well said! Thank you! I never really "liked" or "dis-liked" KG - she's okay - not the best, not the worst, but personally, AS A CATHOLIC WITH A SENSE OF HUMOR I found that three word statement pretty vulgar and offensive. I wonder how offended those who consider me an "idiot" would be if she expressed the same sentiment toward something/someone they love and hold close to their heart... Anyway, Kathy Griffin (and Barry Manilow for that matter!!) just need to grow up and realize that THEY (and those with like-minded sentiments and beliefs) are not the ONLY ones, and if someone happens to DISAGREE with their opinions, it doesn't make them an "idiot". It's called having an individual thought process and not going along with whatever happens to be the "popular" opinion of the day!! Maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't take it that daq was calling me personally (or any other Christians here) idiots because of our faith, just the ones spending thousands of dollars on taking out the full page ads. Come on, KG said it for the shock value and media attention and look... those people are giving her even more publicity. She is loving it! I applauded the original post, not because I'm a KG fan (which I'm not particularly) but just because the original intent of the whole thing seems to have been lost. KG was mocking shallow hypocritical celebrities, not Christians. The same celebrities who have no qualms about sleeping around, using illegal drugs, dressing like prostitutes, and treating people like garbage in their day-to-day life will then accept an award with a speech thanking Jesus for their talent and for giving them a blessed life. However, I do agree with stilllovewestley and tmn9761 that there are less offensive ways to get your point across. As far as Barry Manilow goes, he's only doing it for the same reasons. Would we even be talking about him now if he didn't make a big deal about refusing to appear on The View? Exactly. Fair enough - I'll give the benefit of the doubt! I completely agree with the publicity angle too - bottom line, that is what it's ALL about in the entertainment industry. Who cares about what's right or wrong or who we may hurt or offend by careless words - as long as it provides publicity, well that makes it "okay". BUT...on the other hand, if it wasn't for that very angle, there would be no gossip sites like Fan ChitChat, and then what in heaven's name would we have to talk about??!! So I say, "Bring it on!"

I didn't take offense at KG saying that her award had nothing to do with Jesus. I agree - Jesus has bigger things to think about than a loud-mouthed comedienne winning an award. If she'd stopped there, no problem. But to say "Suck it Jesus" is extremely offensive. She'd be a social pariah if she'd said "Suck it Mohammed," and I don't think many people here would be defending her. I actually like KG; she is loud and hilarious, sometimes offensive but not usually mean-spirited. I think she'd have been better served to say "I was excited about the win and made an unthinking joke in the spur of the moment" instead of "am I the only Catholic left with a sense of humor?" No Kathy, you aren't, but you are one of the few who thinks "Suck it Jesus" is a cool statement to make. VERY well said! Thank you! I never really "liked" or "dis-liked" KG - she's okay - not the best, not the worst, but personally, AS A CATHOLIC WITH A SENSE OF HUMOR I found that three word statement pretty vulgar and offensive. I wonder how offended those who consider me an "idiot" would be if she expressed the same sentiment toward something/someone they love and hold close to their heart... Anyway, Kathy Griffin (and Barry Manilow for that matter!!) just need to grow up and realize that THEY (and those with like-minded sentiments and beliefs) are not the ONLY ones, and if someone happens to DISAGREE with their opinions, it doesn't make them an "idiot". It's called having an individual thought process and not going along with whatever happens to be the "popular" opinion of the day!!

Really. What ever happened to the good old days when you could go to a concert, score some Black Beauties or Reds in the john, smoke a doobie or two and that was that. And THAT was a good time! Glad I'm an "Old F*ck" now! Oh - and don't forget the Boonesfarm Strawberry! LOL

I guess I'm too old and too far removed from things to know much about meth, but I do know that substance abuse (including booze) can make exceptionally good people do exceptionally terrible things. I think he is a gifted, talented actor, and for whatever reason, this bothers me more than it should. I don't 'know" him but this really pulls at my heart. It's very unsettling. I can only imagine how his parents, siblings and loved ones must feel. I hope this serves as a wakeup call, and that maybe some good can come from it.

Wow. How tragic. I will certainly keep him in my prayers. I just don't get it - what in heaven's name could possibly be so bad to seriously contemplate off'ing oneself? I mean no disrespect, and I truly hope he is okay and can successfully receive the help he needs. I hope that I never reach such a hopeless, dark, desolate, emotionally isolated corner of Hell. We all go through "things" - I have overcome addictions, abuse on EVERY level (physical, emotional, sexual and verbal), the sudden death of my husband when I was a young mother with two small children, poverty, NEAR homelessnss - you name it, I've been there, but I guess I was fortunate to never feel so desperate and alone. Very sad. I wish him the best.